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Old 02-19-2006, 12:54 PM
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Conscious Reality -- By AOk.

Consciousness from many perspectives is a mystery to many people.
It is the basis of all existence, yet there is another principal in which consciousness must have for it to exist. Reality.

Every living thing in this universe has a consciousness, and because of its conscious-existence, it also has a mental-existence. It has it's own reality and it shares this reality with all other consciousness. Thus, Mass Consciousness creates Reality for itself.

The theories of Enlightenment taught by Buddha and Jesus are One and the same. They teach us the most simple, of concepts. Oneness. The term described is being "One" with the Universe. Being One and thus realization of consciousness.

Philosophy and all religions have said that we where all "One" to begin with, our consciousness was separated at Self. When we are born we enter the world of the physical, the world of Self, or, Ego. Ego is what covers up the truth in us. Ego is the Shell, the Skin, and the flesh. Whilst the divine parts in which consciousness came from is the "Nothing, that creates Everything." This part of you is what creates you, and the world you live in.

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." -- Socrates.

Whilst we go about our lives, the "Conscious" Mind thinks it knows everything. When it indeed is being controlled by a Deeper Self. Your superconscious mind creates everything around you. Because on the principals of duality, existence with reality must have 2 sides.

It is when we start seeing life from the position of "Non-duality" that we become "One" and Enlightened. When 2 people are in Love, they bond as one. Jesus taught us to "Love thy neighbor" and his consciousness is said to be the consciousness of God himself.

The only difference between the one of the Christian faith's definition of God, and the one of Buddhism, is Buddhism cannot Judge the difference between God and Consciousness. As this is separation, and separation leads to Ego. When God and Consciousness are ONE AND THE SAME.

Conscious discovery is unfolding yourself. And as you do this, your world begins to change around you, you seem to be more "awake" of the dream. And the more and more the dream becomes lucid, the more and more you begin to realize. Time and Space will begin to revolve around you, like you are creating the field of your own reality, because if your more conscious than most of the other people on the planet, you have more control over the Reality it creates.

Quantum physics has argued that "Thoughts" create Reality. That physics is merely an illusional bi-product of the separation of oneness, and this betrayal in which is spoken of in the gospels of Christianity is the reason we limit ourselves to this reality, because the greatest pain we had was this, separation and because of it we are scared.

If Thought create your Reality -- What creates the Thoughts? Consciousness.
Within the Ancient Sanskrit language, the word "Human" is translated into the word, "God-Man."

The Matrix is based on the philosophical debate of Ego Vs Truth. A limited world created by separation which is society.

How to become more conscious? Well, one must dive into there own souls, and find the meaning of the world truth.

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Nice article AOK. Was wondering if you might have an answer to a question of mine though, I have trouble seeing how anything is real except for the conscious/soul-spirit essence. Its hard to say, but the feeling I am getting is that everything else including the body either doesnt matter enough to exist in comparison to this, or isnt so real after all. As well, one more thing is that consciousness or soul or things that seem *more real to me arent necessarily things I can touch normally, with minimal feeling, and are quite abstract in a lot of ways. For example, the concept of free will or choice. To even explain further, I can choose to create something, an object to place in this physical dimension, but does the object matters not in comparison to the choice behind it and the ability to make a future choice with it.

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In my opinion, there is no comparison between the 2 elements of Existance in my philosophies.

Consciousness is what creates Reality. But if you had no Reality, then what would be a Consciousness? Nothing.

They need eachother to both be existant. So you cannot say that the reality your consciousness (our consciousness) creates for itself, isnt real. For it is what it is.

When you merge both Consciousness + Reality together with Love. Loving all Consciousness and Loving all Reality. Love involves Non-Judgement, removing Ego. When this is done, you begin to Transcend.

I will shortly write an article to continue this one about Separation in comparison to the Astral.
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Nice article AOK. Was wondering if you might have an answer to a question of mine though, I have trouble seeing how anything is real except for the conscious/soul-spirit essence. Its hard to say, but the feeling I am getting is that everything else including the body either doesnt matter enough to exist in comparison to this, or isnt so real after all. As well, one more thing is that consciousness or soul or things that seem *more real to me arent necessarily things I can touch normally, with minimal feeling, and are quite abstract in a lot of ways. For example, the concept of free will or choice. To even explain further, I can choose to create something, an object to place in this physical dimension, but does the object matters not in comparison to the choice behind it and the ability to make a future choice with it.
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I guess you know that there are many ways to define reality, and it depends on the consciousness on which you are in: For some, reality is what they see, or perceive, with their 5 senses, or even with their 'other' senses- but it is still dependent on the senses. For others (me included) reality is or has to be absolute to be real. Therefore, nothing that can change is real, because, to use buddhist theory, if it doesn't exist at a moment in time, then it doesn't have ultimate existence. And ultimate, absolute, eternal existence is what we're talking about (in my opinion.) So from that point of view, it can be said that the temporal has no absolute existence, and that's what matters.
But how we define existence is what the crux of the matter is.
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In my opinion, there is no comparison between the 2 elements of Existance in my philosophies.

Consciousness is what creates Reality. But if you had no Reality, then what would be a Consciousness? Nothing.

They need eachother to both be existant. So you cannot say that the reality your consciousness (our consciousness) creates for itself, isnt real. For it is what it is.

When you merge both Consciousness + Reality together with Love. Loving all Consciousness and Loving all Reality. Love involves Non-Judgement, removing Ego. When this is done, you begin to Transcend.

I will shortly write an article to continue this one about Separation in comparison to the Astral.
Hi AOK,

Interesting article . I have a question regarding individual consicousness. I know people can say in the biggest pciture we are all one, but in our day-to-day lives we are pretty much individuals with our own point of consiousness.
I'm not sure I'll be able to articulate what I mean, but unless you hold a solipsist viewpoint (which would mean you are having this conversation with yourself :wink: ), would the existence of other sentient beings allow for the death (oblivion) of an individuals consiousness? What I mean is, I see many people die in the world, yet from my viewpoint the world carries on. When I die (and if my consiousness dies too - this is just an 'if'), other peoples consiousness will carry on too. So even if reality and consiousness are interlinked, they don't seem to be linked on an individual level. Can the individual die, but no the totality?
Just as an aside, regarding quantum mechanics, there are now theories which are becoming increasingly popular which decouples an observer from reality (ie observer causing waveform collapse being used as an evidence that the observer creates reality). What implications would such findings have on the idea that reality and consiousness are linked?

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For others (me included) reality is or has to be absolute to be real. Therefore, nothing that can change is real, because, to use buddhist theory, if it doesn't exist at a moment in time, then it doesn't have ultimate existence.

Interesting concept, can you explain further that I may better understand? Why is it not considered real if it isnt eternal?

a bit OT: I am familiar with another buddhist concept which I find accurate with my own experiences and gained knowledge.

In hell or the world of demons, there is much pain and suffering, so much in fact that it will override the demons sense of right and wrong, or natural "instinct". They do wrong because they dont know any better, all they know is pain and suffering.

In the heavenly realms, there is quite the opposite: immense happiness and joy. So much in fact that the beings there dont change as they dont experience the opposite of pleasure: pain.

On earth, there is balance however, we have both pain and pleasure, light and dark, love and hate, etc.. And so here we are said to be better off, the gods are said to envy us and buddha himself has said it is better to be in this world. We have power to choose and evolve higher than any god or demon. And to be them at the same time, power to do good and power to do evil and power to know (the difference).

So, If what changes isnt eternal, and demons nor gods change, so they are eternal, then why do they envy us, and why should it be that we are able to surpass them with change?
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What I mean is, I see many people die in the world, yet from my viewpoint the world carries on. When I die (and if my consiousness dies too - this is just an 'if'), other peoples consiousness will carry on too. So even if reality and consiousness are interlinked, they don't seem to be linked on an individual level. Can the individual die, but no the totality?

Just as an aside, regarding quantum mechanics, there are now theories which are becoming increasingly popular which decouples an observer from reality (ie observer causing waveform collapse being used as an evidence that the observer creates reality). What implications would such findings have on the idea that reality and consiousness are linked?
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Well, yes, Reality is to the seperated consciousness. Okay. I'll try to explain this, it's a little hard. In my thoughts, I create the universe around me, TO AN EXTENT. Meaning, Spiritual and Physical. I am at a level of consciousness where i see things revolving around me. This is my Reality, that this level of consciousness is creating for me.

You slowely move up the spiral of consciousness, and this power of creating reality grows as the understanding takes place. Consciousness and Reality are interlinked, and for this reason that Reality shifts with consciousness.

Your talking about the seperation between Life and Death, the seperation between consciousness and self(s). When there is no seperation in the largest picture.

So what I am saying that each individual goes up the spiral of consciousness. They begin at self, end at One.


And Quatum physics has explained the thought, and the theories. I developed my Idea's before I saw this movie. This movie just backed up my thoughts.

What the bleep do we know? -- Go hire it from a vid store.
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The only difference between the Physical and the Astral is:

The Physical is seperated with Time.

The Astral is not, its vibrational rate is faster than light, therefore physics turns into metaphysics.
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Well, yes, Reality is to the seperated consciousness. Okay. I'll try to explain this, it's a little hard. In my thoughts, I create the universe around me, TO AN EXTENT. Meaning, Spiritual and Physical. I am at a level of consciousness where i see things revolving around me. This is my Reality, that this level of consciousness is creating for me.
I can see and agree with the above . I’m not questioning for the fun of it, these ideas have crossed my mind at times, so I’m just curious to see how others with similar ideas put it all together.

For example, I can see how I create the world around me, and as you say to an extent, but reality seems to have its own rules. I can wish to fly all I want, but unless in a lucid dream or the astral, this simply won’t happen.
If belief could change reality, I just think we would live in a very different world, such as all those of religious faiths combined belief would surely see the coming of their messiahs/Gods/avatars etc.
Or a recent example in the ID vs. Evolution debates, vastly far more people ether don’t know about Darwinism in detail, or believe God created us. Yet that doesn’t change our recorded past etc

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You slowely move up the spiral of consciousness, and this power of creating reality grows as the understanding takes place. Consciousness and Reality are interlinked, and for this reason that Reality shifts with consciousness.
I guess the way I see it now is that ‘personal’ consciousness and reality are interlinked, not consciousness at large. I think also consciousness is more reliant on reality than reality on consciousness. It’s hard to perceive their being anything without a mind to view it, but this doesn’t mean there won’t be anything. For example, unless we address the problem of individual consciousness – such as one can die so their reality ends, others still perceive so it doesn’t at large, just that persons does.
I guess we could also point to the universe before consciousness evolved; there was obviously some form of reality because we can take it back to nearly the instant of the big bang now i.e. so before we could perceive the universe, and before there was any environment for consciousness to evolve, the universe still existed.

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Your talking about the seperation between Life and Death, the seperation between consciousness and self(s). When there is no seperation in the largest picture.

So what I am saying that each individual goes up the spiral of consciousness. They begin at self, end at One.
I agree with this too. Although I think we are so far away from the biggest picture in our current state, to just maintain such a view and miss the details would be the equivalent of always looking at the world with a very powerful telescope and nothing else. We would literally miss everything put the stars.

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And Quatum physics has explained the thought, and the theories. I developed my Idea's before I saw this movie. This movie just backed up my thoughts.

What the bleep do we know? -- Go hire it from a vid store.
I’ve seen the movie, and although flashy, if I’m honest, I was slightly embarrassed by what they were presenting. Most of it is composed of tenuous links at best. To date, the only link between quantum physics and consciousness were the “double slit experiments”. These seemed to suggest if we expected to find the result that a photon/electron was a wave, it would be a wave. If we expected to find it as a particle, it would be a particle. Its basis is in Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, and to really condense it down. For example, a particle going from A to B takes every route possible (virtual particles), but as soon as a conscious observer views the particle (Experiment), this waveform of possibilities collapses into a single result which we see. Like Schrödinger’s cat thought experiment. Until we see the cat, we can see it as alive and dead, these possibilities collapse to a single result when we do view it.
The problem with the above is that they are simply a theory to explain a result which seems alien to us; we know something cannot be both alive and dead at the same time in reality, so we create constructs to allow for such things to occur.
As I stated, there are now theories and experiments which seem to show the observer is not needed at all i.e. there is no link. I can post links if you wish to browse them, but they are pretty heavy going.
The problem with What the Beep is first, the makers have a specific agenda, and so do many of the scientists. Secondly they either say mistruths to prove a point, or wildly extrapolate experiments between two particles to encompass the complexities of intelligence. For example, a quote which sums this up nicely is that we cannot even use quantum physics to model the expansion of an elastic band (we simply do not have the computing power, nor will we for a long time), so to apply it to the brain and consciousness is simply ludicrous.
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Reality and what is not consciousness can exist without the presence of consciousness, but does so unconsciously.

There are two spectrums to existence, well one actually - consciousness and all that is not consciousness is unconscious. Even though this reality can exist without an observer to be present it exists in an unconscious state which does not do it much good. I also believe that it might not be possible for all consciousness to dissipate, and as long as there is a strand of conscious awareness left in the universe, it can grow, expand and learn about the unconscious (or separated) ties to the total reality.
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